{"id":330148,"date":"2025-09-28T17:31:51","date_gmt":"2025-09-28T15:31:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/?p=330148"},"modified":"2025-10-01T11:48:51","modified_gmt":"2025-10-01T09:48:51","slug":"historic-meeting-in-france-his-holiness-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-his-holiness-ogyen-trinley-dorje","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/en\/historic-meeting-in-france-his-holiness-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-his-holiness-ogyen-trinley-dorje\/","title":{"rendered":"Historic Meeting in France of His Holiness Trinley Thaye Dorje and His Holiness Ogyen Trinley Dorje"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; specialty=&#8221;on&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.3&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;||0px|||&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;3_4&#8243; specialty_columns=&#8221;3&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; custom_padding=&#8221;|||&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; custom_padding__hover=&#8221;|||&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;][et_pb_row_inner _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.3&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;||0px|||&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;][et_pb_column_inner saved_specialty_column_type=&#8221;3_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.3&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; hover_enabled=&#8221;0&#8243; custom_css_free_form=&#8221;img.inline-zoom {|| transition: transform 0.3s ease;|| display: inline-block;|| vertical-align: middle;|| max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {|| transform: scale(2);|| z-index: 10;||}&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221; sticky_enabled=&#8221;0&#8243;]<\/p>\n<p>For many years, Mipham Ch\u00f6kyi Lodr\u00f6, the 14th K\u00fcnzig Shamarpa, worked to bring about a peaceful resolution to the controversy surrounding the recognition of the Gyalwa Karmapa, which divided monastic and lay practitioners, families, and friends. On several occasions, Shamarpa publicly encouraged\u00a0(notably in<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vzPxbhHk22U&amp;t=2s\"> a series of three videos<\/a> in Tibetan) a meeting between His Holiness Trinley Thaye Dorje and His Holiness Ogyen Trinley Dorje.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-329410  alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/hh-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-hh-ogyen-trinley.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"366\" height=\"244\" \/>This meeting did not take place during Shamarpa&#8217;s lifetime, but it was later facilitated by Lama Jigme Rinpoche. Thus, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.karmapa.org\/joint-statement-of-his-holiness-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-his-holiness-ogyen-trinley-dorje\/\">on October 11 and 12, 2018, His Holiness Trinley Thaye Dorje and His Holiness Ogyen Trinley Dorje<\/a> made history by meeting for the first time, in complete confidentiality, in a rural location in France. Their goal was to get to know each other personally. They also discussed how they could work together to preserve and strengthen the Karma Kagyu lineage of Tibetan Buddhism.<\/p>\n<p>Following this first meeting, a<a href=\"https:\/\/www.karmapa.org\/joint-statement-of-his-holiness-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-his-holiness-ogyen-trinley-dorje\/\"> joint statement<\/a> was published simultaneously on the websites of both masters in English, Tibetan, and Chinese.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_testimonial admin_label=&#8221;Temoniage 50 ans&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;572720b5-72ac-4a65-9e3f-d9811ed4046d&#8221; body_line_height=&#8221;1.6em&#8221; border_color_all=&#8221;gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090&#8243; border_color_bottom=&#8221;gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090&#8243; locked=&#8221;off&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{%22gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090%22:%91%22quote_icon_color%22,%22border_color_bottom%22,%22border_color_all%22%93}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>We are both very pleased to have had this opportunity to meet and get to know each other in a peaceful and relaxed environment. We both had this wish for many years, and we are gratified that this wish has now been fulfilled.<\/p>\n<p>The purpose of our meeting was primarily to spend time together so that we could establish a personal relationship. We were able to talk together freely and to learn about each other for the first time. We were thus able to begin what we expect will develop into a strong connection.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>While we were together, we also talked about ways that we could work to heal the divisions that have unfortunately developed within our precious Karma Kagyu lineage. We view it as our duty and responsibility to do whatever we can to bring the lineage together.<\/p>\n<p>The undertaking is critically important for the future of the Karma Kagyu lineage as well as for the future of Tibetan Buddhism and the benefit of all sentient beings. We therefore ask everyone with the Karma Kagyu community to join us in our efforts to strengthen and preserve our lineage. We view it as our collective responsibility to restore harmony to our tradition which is a lineage of wisdom and compassion.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_testimonial][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_css_free_form=&#8221;img.inline-zoom {|| transition: transform 0.3s ease;|| display: inline-block;|| vertical-align: middle;|| max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {|| transform: scale(2);|| z-index: 10;||}&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>This statement was picked up by Agence France Presse (AFP)&nbsp; and many other media outlets around the world. His Holiness the 12th Gyalwang Drukpa, Jigme Pema Wangchen, head of the Drukpa Kagyu tradition, was the first spiritual leader to react on Facebook on October 11, 2018, saying,<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>The meeting has set an example of how spiritual masters can and should come together and resolve internal problems through dialogue, bearing in mind the bigger picture of the interests of the Dharma in general and the Karma Kagyu Lineage in particular. I congratulate Their Holinesses on taking this brave initiative and I am sure that the young generation of spiritual masters will follow their example in resolving issues through dialogue with a sense of spiritual brotherhood. My best wishes and prayers for the success of Their Holinesses\u2019 initiative for the future of the Karma Kagyu Lineage, Buddhism in general and the well-being of sentient beings.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The beneficial repercussions of this meeting are considerable, particularly among Tibetan practitioners, pacifying hostilities that sometimes existed within the same family and restoring harmony among followers of one master or the other.<\/p>\n<p>This statement&nbsp; paved the way to private communications between Their Holinesses and to other key meetings, such as in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.karmapa.org\/joint-long-life-prayer-for-kunzig-shamar-rinpoches-reincarnation-by-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-ogyen-trinley-dorje\/\">October 2019<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.karmapa.org\/a-joint-statement-regarding-the-reincarnation-of-kunzig-shamar-rinpoche\/\">December 2023. <\/a>Further to this last meeting, the two masters published a joint statement <a href=\"https:\/\/www.karmapa.org\/a-joint-statement-regarding-the-reincarnation-of-kunzig-shamar-rinpoche\/\">regarding the reincarnation of K\u00fcnzig Shamar Rinpoche<\/a> in clear and direct terms:<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_testimonial admin_label=&#8221;Temoniage 50 ans&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;572720b5-72ac-4a65-9e3f-d9811ed4046d&#8221; body_line_height=&#8221;1.6em&#8221; border_color_all=&#8221;gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090&#8243; border_color_bottom=&#8221;gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090&#8243; locked=&#8221;off&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{%22gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090%22:%91%22quote_icon_color%22,%22border_color_bottom%22,%22border_color_all%22%93}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><em>We see that it is our responsibility to continue to recognise the reincarnations of Kunzig Shamarpa. For the recognition to be unmistaken and undisputed would have tremendous benefit for reuniting the Karma Kagyu. Thus, the two of us are shouldering this responsibility that has fallen on us both. Despite many difficulties, we have met several times and had deep conversations that have greatly increased our sincere intentions.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_testimonial][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_css_free_form=&#8221;img.inline-zoom {|| transition: transform 0.3s ease;|| display: inline-block;|| vertical-align: middle;|| max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {|| transform: scale(2);|| z-index: 10;||}&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>In a letter published after this 2023 meeting,<a href=\"https:\/\/drikung.org\/appreciation-letter-from-h-h-drikung-kyabgon-chetsang\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> His Holiness Drikung Kyabgon Chetsang,Tenzin Thrinle Lhundrup,<\/a> 23rd holder of the Drikung Kagy\u00fc lineage, underlined its full importance,<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>It is indeed a new dawn for the teachings of the Karmapa and good news to not only holders of the Karmapa lineage throughout the world but also for the entire Kagyu lineage. The successive reincarnations of K\u00fcnzig Shamar Rinpoche and the precious lineage that came from them are well documented by Kagy\u00fcpas in general and in The Golden Rosary Lineage of Karma Kagy\u00fc in particular. The inseparability of the lineage of the K\u00fcnzig Shamarpas and the Karma Kagy\u00fc is clearly attested to in all historical works.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>His Holiness Trinley Thaye Dorje and His Holiness Ogyen Trinley Dorje thus continue to hold the commitment made in their very first meeting\u2014to do everything <strong>possible to reunite the lineage and restore harmony<\/strong> within the Karma Kagy\u00fc tradition.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_image src=&#8221;https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/hh-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-hh-ogyen-trinley.webp&#8221; title_text=&#8221;hh-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-hh-ogyen-trinley&#8221; url=&#8221;https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/5_soutras_souverains_ecran_2025.pdf&#8221; url_new_window=&#8221;on&#8221; align=&#8221;center&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color=&#8221;#f7f7f3&#8243; custom_margin=&#8221;5px|5px|5px|5px|false|false&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;5px|5px|5px|5px|false|false&#8221; 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Shamarpa a publiquement encourag\u00e9 la rencontre entre Sa Saintet\u00e9 Trinley Thay\u00e9 Dorj\u00e9 et Sa Saintet\u00e9 Ogyen Trinley Dorj\u00e9 \u00e0 plusieurs reprises (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?si=vVLfwRqyv8kpBOek&v=Sjfn2aNkSgY&feature=youtu.be\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">notamment dans une s\u00e9rie de trois vid\u00e9os en tib\u00e9tain<\/a>).<\/p><p><img class=\"wp-image-329410  alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/hh-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-hh-ogyen-trinley.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"366\" height=\"244\">Cette rencontre n\u2019a pu avoir lieu du vivant de Shamarpa, mais elle a \u00e9t\u00e9 mise en \u0153uvre par lama Jigm\u00e9 Rinpoch\u00e9. Ainsi,<a href=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/declaration-conjointe-sa-saintete-trinley-thaye-dorje-et-sa-saintete-ogyen-trinley-dorje\/\"> les 11 et 12 octobre 2018, Sa Saintet\u00e9 Trinley Thay\u00e9 Dorj\u00e9 et Sa Saintet\u00e9 Ogyen Trinley Dorj\u00e9 ont marqu\u00e9 l\u2019histoire en se rencontrant pour la premi\u00e8re fois,<\/a> en toute confidentialit\u00e9, dans une localit\u00e9 rurale de France. Leur but \u00e9tait de <strong>se conna\u00eetre l\u2019un et l\u2019autre personnellement.<\/strong> Ils ont aussi abord\u00e9 la fa\u00e7on dont ils pourraient travailler ensemble \u00e0 pr\u00e9server et \u00e0 renforcer la lign\u00e9e karma kagy\u00fc du bouddhisme tib\u00e9tain.<br>De cette premi\u00e8re rencontre, est n\u00e9e une d\u00e9claration conjointe, <strong>publi\u00e9e simultan\u00e9ment<\/strong> sur le site Internet des deux ma\u00eetres en anglais, tib\u00e9tain et chinois. En voici la traduction :<\/p><p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_testimonial admin_label=\"Temoniage 50 ans\" _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"572720b5-72ac-4a65-9e3f-d9811ed4046d\" body_line_height=\"1.6em\" border_color_all=\"gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090\" border_color_bottom=\"gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090\" locked=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{%22gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090%22:%91%22quote_icon_color%22,%22border_color_bottom%22,%22border_color_all%22%93}\"]<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center;\">Nous sommes tous deux tr\u00e8s heureux d\u2019avoir eu cette opportunit\u00e9 de nous rencontrer et de nous conna\u00eetre dans un environnement paisible et d\u00e9tendu. Nous souhaitions cela depuis de nombreuses ann\u00e9es et nous nous r\u00e9jouissons que ce souhait se soit aujourd\u2019hui r\u00e9alis\u00e9.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center;\">Le but de notre rencontre \u00e9tait principalement de passer du temps ensemble afin d\u2019\u00e9tablir une relation personnelle. Nous avons pu parler librement et faire connaissance pour la premi\u00e8re fois. Nous avons ainsi pu commencer ce qui, nous l\u2019esp\u00e9rons, deviendra un lien fort.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center;\">Quand nous \u00e9tions ensemble, nous avons aussi abord\u00e9 les fa\u00e7ons dont nous pourrions \u0153uvrer \u00e0 rem\u00e9dier aux divisions qui se sont malheureusement d\u00e9velopp\u00e9es au sein de notre pr\u00e9cieuse lign\u00e9e karma kagy\u00fc. Nous consid\u00e9rons qu\u2019il est de notre devoir et de notre responsabilit\u00e9 de faire tout ce que nous pouvons pour rassembler la lign\u00e9e.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center;\">Cet engagement rev\u00eat une importance capitale pour le futur de la lign\u00e9e karma kagy\u00fc ainsi que pour l\u2019avenir du bouddhisme tib\u00e9tain et pour le bien de tous les \u00eatres sensibles. Nous demandons donc \u00e0 chacun au sein de la communaut\u00e9 karma kagy\u00fc de se joindre \u00e0 nos efforts pour renforcer et pr\u00e9server notre lign\u00e9e. Nous consid\u00e9rons comme \u00e9tant de notre responsabilit\u00e9 collective de restaurer l\u2019harmonie dans notre tradition qui est une lign\u00e9e de sagesse et de compassion.<\/p><p>[\/et_pb_testimonial][et_pb_text _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_css_free_form=\"img.inline-zoom {|| transition: transform 0.3s ease;|| display: inline-block;|| vertical-align: middle;|| max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {|| transform: scale(2);|| z-index: 10;||}\" global_colors_info=\"{}\"]<\/p><p>Cette d\u00e9claration sera reprise par l\u2019AFP et de nombreux m\u00e9dias \u00e0 travers le monde. Sa Saintet\u00e9 le XII<sup>e<\/sup> Gyalwang Drukpa Jigm\u00e9 Pema Wangchen, \u00e0 la t\u00eate de la tradition drukpa kagy\u00fc, sera le premier chef spirituel \u00e0 r\u00e9agir sur Facebook le 11 octobre 2018 et dira :<\/p><blockquote><p><em>Cette rencontre a donn\u00e9 l\u2019exemple de la mani\u00e8re dont des ma\u00eetres spirituels peuvent et doivent se rencontrer pour r\u00e9soudre les probl\u00e8mes internes par le dialogue, en gardant \u00e0 l'esprit la perspective du Dharma en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, et de la lign\u00e9e karma kagy\u00fc en particulier. Je f\u00e9licite Leurs Saintet\u00e9s pour cette initiative courageuse et je suis convaincu que la jeune g\u00e9n\u00e9ration de ma\u00eetres spirituels suivra leur exemple en r\u00e9solvant les diff\u00e9rends par le dialogue, dans un esprit de fraternit\u00e9 spirituelle. Mes meilleurs v\u0153ux et pri\u00e8res pour la r\u00e9ussite de l\u2019initiative de Leurs Saintet\u00e9s, pour l\u2019avenir de la lign\u00e9e karma kagy\u00fc, du bouddhisme en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, et pour le bien-\u00eatre des \u00eatres sensibles.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote><p>Les r\u00e9percussions b\u00e9n\u00e9fiques de cette rencontre sont consid\u00e9rables, notamment chez les pratiquants tib\u00e9tains, apaisant les hostilit\u00e9s pr\u00e9sentes parfois au sein d\u2019une m\u00eame famille et r\u00e9tablissant l\u2019harmonie entre les pratiquants suivant l\u2019un ou l\u2019autre ma\u00eetre.<\/p><p>Cette rencontre a ouvert la voie \u00e0 une communication priv\u00e9e entre Leurs Saintet\u00e9s et \u00e0 d\u2019autres rencontres cl\u00e9s comme en <a href=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/priere-conjointe-trinley-thaye-dorje-et-ogyen-trinley-dorje-longue-vie-reincarnation-kunzik-shamar-rinpoche\/\">octobre 2019<\/a> ou en <a href=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/declaration-commune-reincarnation-kunzig-shamar-rinpoche\/\">d\u00e9cembre 2023<\/a>. \u00c0 la suite de cette derni\u00e8re, les deux ma\u00eetres publieront une d\u00e9claration commune au sujet de la <a href=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/declaration-commune-reincarnation-kunzig-shamar-rinpoche\/\">reconnaissance de la r\u00e9incarnation de K\u00fcnzik Shamarpa<\/a> en termes clairs et directs :<\/p><p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_testimonial admin_label=\"Temoniage 50 ans\" _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"572720b5-72ac-4a65-9e3f-d9811ed4046d\" body_line_height=\"1.6em\" border_color_all=\"gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090\" border_color_bottom=\"gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090\" locked=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{%22gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090%22:%91%22quote_icon_color%22,%22border_color_bottom%22,%22border_color_all%22%93}\"]<\/p><p>Nous voyons qu\u2019il est de notre responsabilit\u00e9 de continuer \u00e0 reconna\u00eetre les r\u00e9incarnations de Kunzik Shamarpa parce qu\u2019une reconnaissance incontestable et incontest\u00e9e serait extr\u00eamement b\u00e9n\u00e9fique pour r\u00e9unir les karma kamtsangs. C\u2019est la raison pour laquelle nous assumons tous les deux cette responsabilit\u00e9 qui nous incombe. Malgr\u00e9 de nombreuses difficult\u00e9s, nous nous sommes rencontr\u00e9s \u00e0 plusieurs reprises et avons \u00e9chang\u00e9 des conversations profondes qui ont consid\u00e9rablement renforc\u00e9 nos intentions sinc\u00e8res.<\/p><p>[\/et_pb_testimonial][et_pb_text _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_css_free_form=\"img.inline-zoom {|| transition: transform 0.3s ease;|| display: inline-block;|| vertical-align: middle;|| max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {|| transform: scale(2);|| z-index: 10;||}\" global_colors_info=\"{}\"]\u00c0 la suite de cette rencontre, Sa Saintet\u00e9 Drikung Kyabgon Chetsang,Tenzin Thrinle Lhundrup, XXXVII<sup>e<\/sup> d\u00e9tenteur du tr\u00f4ne drikung kagy\u00fc, publiera une lettre, dans laquelle il en soulignera toute l\u2019importance :<\/p><blockquote><p><em>C\u2019est en effet une aube nouvelle pour les enseignements du Karmapa, et une bonne nouvelle non seulement pour les d\u00e9tenteurs de la lign\u00e9e du Karmapa \u00e0 travers le monde, mais aussi pour l\u2019ensemble de la lign\u00e9e kagy\u00fc. Les r\u00e9incarnations successives de K\u00fcnzik Shamar Rinpoch\u00e9 et la pr\u00e9cieuse lign\u00e9e qui en est issue sont bien document\u00e9es par les kagy\u00fcpas en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral et tout particuli\u00e8rement dans \u201cla lign\u00e9e du Rosaire d\u2019or karma kagy\u00fc\u201d. L\u2019indissociabilit\u00e9 de la lign\u00e9e des K\u00fcnzik Shamarpas et de la tradition karma kagy\u00fc est clairement attest\u00e9e dans toutes les \u0153uvres historiques.\u00a0<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote><p>Sa Saintet\u00e9 Trinley Thay\u00e9 Dorj\u00e9 et Sa Saintet\u00e9 Ogyen Trinley Dorj\u00e9 continuent ainsi \u00e0 tenir l\u2019engagement pris lors de leur premi\u00e8re rencontre : <strong>faire tout leur possible pour rassembler la lign\u00e9e et restaurer l\u2019harmonie au sein de la tradition karma kagy\u00fc.<\/strong>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_image src=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/hh-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-hh-ogyen-trinley.webp\" title_text=\"hh-trinley-thaye-dorje-and-hh-ogyen-trinley\" url=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/5_soutras_souverains_ecran_2025.pdf\" url_new_window=\"on\" align=\"center\" _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_color=\"#f7f7f3\" 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