{"id":330290,"date":"2025-09-30T09:32:08","date_gmt":"2025-09-30T07:32:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/?p=330290"},"modified":"2025-09-30T21:33:15","modified_gmt":"2025-09-30T19:33:15","slug":"joint-prayer-trinley-thaye-dorje-ogyen-trinley-dorje-long-life-kunzig-shamar-rinpoche-reincarnation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/en\/joint-prayer-trinley-thaye-dorje-ogyen-trinley-dorje-long-life-kunzig-shamar-rinpoche-reincarnation\/","title":{"rendered":"Joint prayer by Trinley Thaye Dorje and Ogyen Trinley Dorje for the Long Life of K\u00fcnzig Shamar Rinpoche\u2019s Reincarnation"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; specialty=&#8221;on&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.3&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;||0px|||&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;3_4&#8243; specialty_columns=&#8221;3&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; 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With the fervent aspiration that he may live long, that his activity may flourish, and that by the power of this, the teachings of the Practice Lineage of the Karma Kamtsang may be united, the two of us, known as Ogyen Trinley and Thaye Dorje, have written this prayer together.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_testimonial][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_css_free_form=&#8221;img.inline-zoom {||  transition: transform 0.3s ease;||  display: inline-block;||  vertical-align: middle;||  max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {||  transform: scale(2);||  z-index: 10;||}&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>The prayer underlines the indissociable spiritual connection between the Karmapas and the Shamarpas<\/strong> as emanations of the same mind stream. As stated by the 2nd Karmapa Karma Pakshi (1204\u20131283), \u201cFuture Karmapas will manifest in two forms\u201d These words were later clarified by the 4th Karmapa, R\u00f6lpe Dorje (1340\u20131383) who indicated that the Shamarpa reincarnates as a second manifestation of himself. \u201cThereafter, the two incarnation lines were always known as the <em>Karmapa Shanagpa<\/em> and the <em>Karmapa Shamarpa<\/em>, literally in Tibetan the black-crowned Karmapa and the red-crowned Karmapa. As the two main figures in the Karma Kagyu lineage, the Karmapas and Shamarpas have alternatively recognized each other in their respective position. [\u2026] Each incarnation within the line has never failed to prove himself worthy of his illustrious predecessors in erudition and spiritual attainment for the welfare of sentient beings.\u201c <sup>[1]<\/sup><\/p>\n<p>The prayer recognizes this relationship: <\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_testimonial admin_label=&#8221;Temoniage 50 ans&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;572720b5-72ac-4a65-9e3f-d9811ed4046d&#8221; body_line_height=&#8221;1.6em&#8221; border_color_all=&#8221;gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090&#8243; border_color_bottom=&#8221;gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090&#8243; locked=&#8221;off&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{%22gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090%22:%91%22quote_icon_color%22,%22border_color_bottom%22,%22border_color_all%22%93}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">\u0f62\u0f92\u0fb1\u0f63\u0f0b\u0f40\u0f74\u0f53\u0f0b\u0f55\u0fb2\u0f72\u0f53\u0f0b\u0f63\u0f66\u0f0b\u0f42\u0f45\u0f72\u0f42\u0f0b\u0f56\u0f66\u0fa1\u0f74\u0f66\u0f0b\u0f40\u0f62\u0fa8\u0f0b\u0f54\u0f60\u0f72\u0f0d \u0f0d<br \/>\u0f66\u0f90\u0f74\u0f0b\u0f42\u0f66\u0f74\u0f44\u0f0b\u0f50\u0f74\u0f42\u0f66\u0f0b\u0f40\u0fb1\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f42\u0f66\u0f44\u0f0b\u0f56\u0f60\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f58\u0f5b\u0f7c\u0f51\u0f0b\u0f60\u0f5b\u0f72\u0f53\u0f0b\u0f54\u0f0d \u0f0d<br \/>\u0f58\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f55\u0f58\u0f0b\u0f42\u0f62\u0f0b\u0f42\u0fb1\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f51\u0f56\u0f44\u0f0b\u0f55\u0fb1\u0f74\u0f42\u0f0b\u0f66\u0fa4\u0fb2\u0f74\u0f63\u0f0b\u0f54\u0f60\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f66\u0f90\u0f74\u0f0d \u0f0d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">You possess the trove of secrets of body, speech, and mind of the Karmapa, <br \/>who embodies the activity of all victors.<br \/>You are the nirmanakaya Mipham Gargyi Wangchuk.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_testimonial][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_css_free_form=&#8221;img.inline-zoom {||  transition: transform 0.3s ease;||  display: inline-block;||  vertical-align: middle;||  max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {||  transform: scale(2);||  z-index: 10;||}&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>It is among the long life prayers recited at the end of every practice in centers affiliated with Dhagpo Kagyu Ling.<\/p>\n<p>Four years later, in December 2023, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.karmapa.org\/a-joint-statement-regarding-the-reincarnation-of-kunzig-shamar-rinpoche\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the two Karmapas published a joint statement regarding the reincarnation of K\u00fcnzig Shamar Rinpoche<\/a> in which they retrace this tradition, affirming that:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>We see that it is our responsibility to continue to recognise the reincarnations of Kunzig Shamarpa. For the recognition to be unmistaken and undisputed would have tremendous benefit for reuniting the Karma Kagyu.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_css_free_form=&#8221;img.inline-zoom {||  transition: transform 0.3s ease;||  display: inline-block;||  vertical-align: middle;||  max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {||  transform: scale(2);||  z-index: 10;||}&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>The two Karmapas affirm that the recognition of Shamar Rinpoche\u2019s reincarnation will be a joint effort, that they will take joint responsibility for his education and that no interference will be accepted from uninvolved parties.<\/p>\n<p>The declaration is also an appeal to all practitioners to preserve the precious practice lineage.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>It is extremely important that all of us in the Practice Lineage of the Karma Kamtsang should have samaya as inseparable as milk mixed with water, and that we come together as a single, cooperative whole. We ask that you all keep this in mind.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_css_free_form=&#8221;img.inline-zoom {||  transition: transform 0.3s ease;||  display: inline-block;||  vertical-align: middle;||  max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {||  transform: scale(2);||  z-index: 10;||}&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; theme_builder_area=&#8221;post_content&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>The two Karmapas strongly advise their disciples and Dharma students to recite two practices, the <em>Sutra in Three Sections<\/em> and the Vajrasattva mantra.&nbsp; During the Clarity and Compassion retreat in December 2023, Lama Jigme Rinpoche gave some explanations about this request, which must be understood on both an individual and collective level.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>It is not a matter of viewing things in terms of guilt or with a feeling that something problematic has taken place, but rather of reflecting on our way of life or our situation.\u201d For it is a matter of understanding the mechanism of karma and dependent arising. &#8220;We are all connected to each other, as in a network. When an action takes place, it has a result. Through this practice of purification and with the underlying state of mind of bodhicitta, we try to think of or embrace all beings in this world, in this universe, so that things move in a direction that is not one of suffering.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><sup>[1]<\/sup> Karma Trinlay Rinpoche. <em>Audacity and Tradition. 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Comme l\u2019a d\u00e9clar\u00e9 le II<sup>\u1d49 <\/sup>Karmapa, Karma Pakshi (1204-1283)\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0Les futurs karmapas se manifesteront sous deux formes<em>\u00a0\u00bb<\/em>. Ces paroles ont \u00e9t\u00e9 clarifi\u00e9es plus tard par le IV<sup>\u1d49<\/sup> Karmapa, R\u00f6lp\u00e9 Dorj\u00e9 (1340-1383), qui a indiqu\u00e9 que le shamarpa se r\u00e9incarnait sous la forme d\u2019une seconde manifestation de lui-m\u00eame. Dans son livre <em>Audace et Tradition. Shamar Rinpoch\u00e9\u00a0: portrait d\u2019un ma\u00eetre de notre temps <sup>[1]<\/sup>, <\/em>Karma Trinlay Rinpoch\u00e9 \u00e9crit ceci\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0Par la suite, les deux lign\u00e9es d\u2019incarnations ont toujours \u00e9t\u00e9 connues comme le <em>karmapa shanakpa<\/em> et le <em>karmapa shamarpa<\/em>, litt\u00e9ralement en tib\u00e9tain, le karmapa \u00e0 coiffe noire et le karmapa \u00e0 coiffe rouge.\u00a0Les karmapas et shamarpas, formant les deux figures principales de la lign\u00e9e karma kagy\u00fc, se sont reconnus l\u2019un et l\u2019autre alternativement dans leur fonction respective. [\u2026] Au sein de sa lign\u00e9e, chaque nouvelle incarnation s\u2019est toujours montr\u00e9e digne de ses illustres pr\u00e9d\u00e9cesseurs, en termes d\u2019\u00e9rudition et d\u2019accomplissement spirituels pour le bien des \u00eatres.\u00a0\u00bb La pri\u00e8re reconna\u00eet ainsi cette relation\u00a0:<\/p>\r\n<p>La pri\u00e8re reconna\u00eet ainsi cette relation :<\/p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_testimonial admin_label=\"Temoniage 50 ans\" _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"572720b5-72ac-4a65-9e3f-d9811ed4046d\" body_line_height=\"1.6em\" border_color_all=\"gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090\" border_color_bottom=\"gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090\" locked=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{%22gcid-9b5f26ad-ce0a-4e53-af90-9971f6694090%22:%91%22quote_icon_color%22,%22border_color_bottom%22,%22border_color_all%22%93}\"]<p style=\"text-align: center;\">\u0f62\u0f92\u0fb1\u0f63\u0f0b\u0f40\u0f74\u0f53\u0f0b\u0f55\u0fb2\u0f72\u0f53\u0f0b\u0f63\u0f66\u0f0b\u0f42\u0f45\u0f72\u0f42\u0f0b\u0f56\u0f66\u0fa1\u0f74\u0f66\u0f0b\u0f40\u0f62\u0fa8\u0f0b\u0f54\u0f60\u0f72\u0f0d \u0f0d<br>\u0f66\u0f90\u0f74\u0f0b\u0f42\u0f66\u0f74\u0f44\u0f0b\u0f50\u0f74\u0f42\u0f66\u0f0b\u0f40\u0fb1\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f42\u0f66\u0f44\u0f0b\u0f56\u0f60\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f58\u0f5b\u0f7c\u0f51\u0f0b\u0f60\u0f5b\u0f72\u0f53\u0f0b\u0f54\u0f0d \u0f0d<br>\u0f58\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f55\u0f58\u0f0b\u0f42\u0f62\u0f0b\u0f42\u0fb1\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f51\u0f56\u0f44\u0f0b\u0f55\u0fb1\u0f74\u0f42\u0f0b\u0f66\u0fa4\u0fb2\u0f74\u0f63\u0f0b\u0f54\u0f60\u0f72\u0f0b\u0f66\u0f90\u0f74\u0f0d \u0f0d<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">D\u00e9tenteur du tr\u00e9sor des secrets du corps, de la parole et de l\u2019esprit<br>De Karmapa qui incarne l\u2019activit\u00e9 de tous les victorieux,<br>Vous \u00eates le nirmanakaya Mipham Gargyi Wangchuk.<\/p>[\/et_pb_testimonial][et_pb_text _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"default\" hover_enabled=\"0\" custom_css_free_form=\"img.inline-zoom {||  transition: transform 0.3s ease;||  display: inline-block;||  vertical-align: middle;||  max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {||  transform: scale(2);||  z-index: 10;||}\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" sticky_enabled=\"0\"]<p>Elle fait partie int\u00e9grante des pri\u00e8res de longue vie r\u00e9cit\u00e9es \u00e0 la fin de toute pratique dans les centres affili\u00e9s \u00e0 Dhagpo Kagy\u00fc Ling.<\/p>\r\n<p>Quatre ans plus tard, en d\u00e9cembre 2023, les deux karmapas publieront une <a href=\"https:\/\/dhagpo.org\/declaration-commune-reincarnation-kunzig-shamar-rinpoche\/\">d\u00e9claration commune concernant la r\u00e9incarnation de K\u00fcnzik Shamar Rinpoch\u00e9<\/a> dans laquelle ils retracent cette tradition, affirmant\u00a0:<\/p>\r\n<blockquote><p><em>Il est de notre responsabilit\u00e9 de continuer \u00e0 reconna\u00eetre les r\u00e9incarnations de K\u00fcnzik Shamarpa parce qu\u2019une reconnaissance incontestable et incontest\u00e9e serait extr\u00eamement b\u00e9n\u00e9fique pour r\u00e9unir les karma kamtsangs.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"default\" hover_enabled=\"0\" custom_css_free_form=\"img.inline-zoom {||  transition: transform 0.3s ease;||  display: inline-block;||  vertical-align: middle;||  max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {||  transform: scale(2);||  z-index: 10;||}\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" sticky_enabled=\"0\"]<p>Les deux karmapas affirment que la reconnaissance de la r\u00e9incarnation de Shamar Rinpoch\u00e9 sera un effort commun de leur part, qu\u2019ils assumeront ensemble son \u00e9ducation et qu\u2019aucune interf\u00e9rence ne serait accept\u00e9e de la part de parties non impliqu\u00e9es.<\/p>\r\n<p>La d\u00e9claration est aussi un appel adress\u00e9 \u00e0 tous les pratiquants, invit\u00e9s \u00e0 pr\u00e9server \u00ab\u00a0la pr\u00e9cieuse lign\u00e9e de la pratique\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p>\r\n<blockquote><p><em>Il est extr\u00eamement important que nous tous, au sein de cette lign\u00e9e de la pratique karma kamtsang, \u00e9crivent-ils, ayons un <\/em>samaya <em>aussi indissociable que du lait m\u00e9lang\u00e9 \u00e0 de l\u2019eau et que nous nous rejoignions en un seul ch\u0153ur qui coop\u00e8re. Nous vous demandons de garder cela \u00e0 l\u2019esprit.<\/em><\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=\"4.27.4\" _module_preset=\"default\" hover_enabled=\"0\" custom_css_free_form=\"img.inline-zoom {||  transition: transform 0.3s ease;||  display: inline-block;||  vertical-align: middle;||  max-width: 100%;||}||||img.inline-zoom:hover {||  transform: scale(2);||  z-index: 10;||}\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" sticky_enabled=\"0\"]<p>Les deux karmapas recommandent vivement \u00e0 tous les disciples et \u00e9tudiants du Dharma la r\u00e9citation de deux pratiques\u00a0: celle du <em>Soutra des trois amoncellements<\/em> et celle du mantra de Dorj\u00e9 Sempa. Lors du stage Clart\u00e9 et Compassion, en d\u00e9cembre 2023, lama Jigm\u00e9 Rinpoch\u00e9 donne quelques explications \u00e0 propos de cette demande, qui doit \u00eatre comprise au niveau individuel et collectif\u00a0:<\/p>\r\n<blockquote><p><em>Il ne s\u2019agit pas d\u2019envisager les choses avec une forme de culpabilit\u00e9 ou le sentiment que quelque chose de probl\u00e9matique a pris place, mais de revenir en fait sur notre fa\u00e7on de vivre, ou la situation qui est la n\u00f4tre.\u00a0 <\/em>Car il s\u2019agit de comprendre le m\u00e9canisme du karma et de l\u2019apparition en d\u00e9pendance<em>. Nous sommes tous reli\u00e9s les uns aux autres, comme en r\u00e9seau. Lorsque des actes sont accomplis, ces actes ont un r\u00e9sultat. Par cette pratique de purification et avec l\u2019\u00e9tat d\u2019esprit sous-jacent de la <\/em>bodhichitta<em>, nous essayons de penser ou d\u2019englober tous les \u00eatres de ce monde, de cet univers, pour que les choses aillent justement dans une direction qui ne soit pas celle du mal-\u00eatre.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p>[1] Karma Trinlay Rinpoche. Audace et Tradition. Shamar Rinpoche : portrait d\u2019un ma\u00eetre de notre temps. 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